Steve, Reply Building deck stairs are often the most challenging part of a DIY deck project. I can unambiguously (and happily) say that there have been zero issues after two years. clogging over time, and potential support issues). To build a deck, start by: 1. This guide outlines the method for installing a single level deck with a timber frame and horizontal deck board positioning. The deck floor level should step down from the internal floor level by at least 75mm to avoid waterproofing problems that may occur due to driving rain. Apply foam adhesive to back of trim. A regular drill and a hammer drill - You'll be needing two drills throughout the whole process because the vast majority of the holes will have to pre-drilled before putting screws in them. A slab with this much damage can’t be fixed. There's probably some historical reason for it). And plenty of it. 3 years ago. Tapcon) for attaching the floor supports to the concrete. And by regularly, I mean a thorough cleaning and restaining (or repainting) once every two or three years.Replacing the concrete deck with wood could have been done in one of two ways: completely demolish the concrete porch and build a 100% wooden one in its place, or use the concrete as a base and just add wood on top of it. You'll be making a ton of cuts to fit the wood into different sizes and shapes, and will be exposing the untreated innards to the elements. Hi there. Building a deck is a great addition to any house, as it creates an extra-space that can be used as a place to take your dinner or to read a good book. They won't be supporting any weight so don't worry too much about how strong they are.Attach the finished skirts to the concrete using tapcon screws and you're done. I'll check it again in the summer of 2017 (for a five year span) and get back to you :). The bottom edge is flush with the bottom of the concrete floor since this is where the frame for bottom panels will be installed. Cut posts using your ledger as a height reference. To add a bit of extra strength I also put a bit of construction adhesive on the bottom of the baluster before screwing it in. There's about 4" of good airflow underneath the floor, and only the runners are sitting right on top of the concrete. As always, comments and suggestions are always welcome.See you next year!--- June 9 2012 update - Finally got around to building the panels underneath the porch, and they're quite straight forward. I read another post were they used a felt material, have you heard of that? Just give this good thought before you choose a complex design. On the downside, obviously, is the commitment to maintain it regularly. As a real amateur, can I ask how you joined the pieces of the bench frame together, e.g. Simply put the board down, set the proper spacing at one end, and screw that end down. You could either use straight long ones (e.g. The concrete in my case is 6" thick, which is enough room to attach to bolts one on top of the other, about 2" apart. 2. Glad you liked the article!The storage bins can be made to any size you need, since they're really just custom made frames that then get covered in panels on the outside. Now that it's time to redo the stain, I'm finding it difficult to figure out how to move the whole thing. 4. Just an idea.That's it for now. These will cost you even more than cedar but will last way longer. I glued it down, added metal brackets and screws on the front (one every foot or so) and 3" screws running diagonally through the back and into the sides of the bench (also one every foot or so).Once the hinge beam is set up, measure the size for the seat frame, and then just make a square made out of 2" x 2" beams. I honestly can't remember exactly what length of screws I used for the bench frames, so you might be right about what I used. Since our concrete was in good condition and would offer a solid base we decided to keep it and just cover it all with wood. A deck’s stairway should be carefully planned so that all the stair rises (the vertical height of the steps) and all the tread depths (the horizontal length of the step runs) are equal. 10. It's a bit hard to visualize in words; just refer to the photos for this one in case it's unclear.Then start placing the 2" x 2" posts (using a scrap piece of the same material for spacing) and drive a screw right into the middle of the post. You don't need the drill to hammer when drilling pilot holes in wood, so a hammer drill that can turn the hammering action off is preferable.Saws - you'll need a regular handsaw (for finishing cuts), circular saw, miter saw and a reciprocating saw. If the bottom or top step is noticeably different in height or length from the other stairs, it will be a tripping hazard. The runners were placed perpendicular to the house with the original idea of running the boards parallel to it, but I changed my mind at the last minute and went for a 45 degree angle. You should be very concerned with this as well, so make sure you use a good pair of goggles that seal the space between the lenses and your skin, as well as good ear plugs. The hinges I used were regular door hinges that were safe to use on treated wood, out of the same concern with the ACQ approved screws. Add a bench swing or a few chairs to create another usable space in your home to congregate and enjoy. This is a unique pictorial guide on how to build steps. If the ground is uneven you might want to pour some concrete to make it flat. My floor is 6" wide, so I bore the holes 1.5" from each edge. Nov 4, 2014 - This Pin was discovered by Laura Hogan. Also, what did it cost to build yours? I simply used scrap 2" x 2" material to leave even spaces between balusters, which amounts to a 1.5" spacing. Need to get another idea for this. I know that concrete seems like it is easier to maintain, but damage is a nightmare to repair. I was thinking that the width should be longer because I want the to be really cozy. You can leave it there as well, but I found the drilling, and especially the screwing of concrete screws, to be quite a job, so the less I did of those the better. Exactly what I want to do on our back deck, that goes out to the pool and hot tub area. As long as the pieces are well attached, you're good. You'll also be needing a hammer drill for the sections where screwing into the concrete are concerned, so I had a regular drill with a screw head on it, and the hammer drill with either the masonry bit or wood bit on it depending on what step I was on. Same rules applies as for the screws - get ACQ approved (perhaps even galvanized would work)  nails.GlueI used a fair amount of construction adhesive for places like the floor support, the skirts and the balusters, so you'll need several tubes of it. The results look just like a deck, but getting them is much easier and less expensive than building a deck from scratch. Keep this stuff nearby as you'll be using it often.Tools I most certainly don't envy people who had to build stuff before the advent of power tools. I live just north of Seattle Washington so rain and moisture is a big concern. The first board goes on starting from the far corner and moving towards the house. The only caveat I could think of at this point was that I would need to abstain from any short floor boards (i.e. The former is three to four times cheaper. It's important to get the angle right and to choose a very straight board, because all the others that follow will laid down parallel to this one.The boards get two screws running through them and into each runner, and where a board ends it must be cut at 45 degrees and end right in the middle of a runner. To protect these areas against moisture and bugs you'll need to treat them with a wood sealer, which is basically a liquid that smells a bit like paint thinner. In our case we just had an old wood skirt that had been attached to the concrete sides with some bolts, and a simple railing attached to that skirt. on Step 6, Glad you enjoyed it, and thx for taking the time to say so. I drew a line down the middle of the 2" x 4" (to know where the screws would go in), laid it down on it's narrow side (with the line facing me) and placed a floor beam right behind it (the beam provides about 1" of lift to the balusters, effectively centering them on the 2" x 4"). Move the 2" x 2" spacer over, add another baluster, and screw this one in too. 8 years ago As for reducing maintenance - I would just go with the two main recommendations in the article: put silicone everywhere there is a chance water can get in (e.g. The next board starts from the same spot and keeps on going until you reach the house or need another board. So we've had this very sturdy but extremely plain looking concrete porch in the back of the house, and we've always wanted to make it warmer and more inviting. on Step 6. It would consist of inter connected plastic drums that fit right inside the bench, with a faucet that fits right between the railing balusters on the right hand side of the staircase. Then lift the flooring piece up straight, position it on two scrap 2" x 4" pieces between the posts, and screw the bottom of the railing into the posts. Now, refer to your engineering plans to determine how far apart your … I'm going to let the wood weather until next summer, at which point I'll apply wood brightener/cleaner to it and then the stain.You also have the choice of going with composite decking materials which look like wood but are made of much more weather resistant materials. I used 5/4" x 6" material to cover the sides and for the seating area; basically flooring material, so that the two would match.The frame of the benches is constructed of 2" x 3" beams, and then covered on the sides with flooring material and attached to the deck by driving screws diagonally through the bottom square of the bench directly into the deck. I had seen a few decking videos where it's used to cut off the tops of the posts, but found it to be too much of a hassle and too slow. You might just want to carve drainage channels on the bottom of the runners, or have interspersed small runners, but both of those have issues (i.e. Great instructions and photos. Maybe you have heard this since posting your project but thought I'd throw it out there in case you have not. This is just fine if you'll be using the lumber as-is, but you won't. Repeat this process for each joist. The beams are then held together by 3" screws going through each corner and then 45 degree metal brackets on the back.The only thing I have not really figured out yet is how to lock the panels in place, but seeing that they're quite snug to begin with I'm thinking of just leaving it as is. 5") to go straight through them, or you could also just put them in diagonally and use shorter ones. I have a concrete patio, and other places I'm reading say that wood in contact with concrete is a recipe for rot. This made for a sturdy spacer that was also easy to grab onto with a pair of pliers and pull out (some of them will be really stuck after the board is attached).Not all of your boards will be perfectly straight, but that's ok and can be fixed (to a degree...). 4. Counterbore holes in PVC trim with ½-inch-diameter spade bit. * Railing sections - I'm not really happy with the effort it took to lift the half finished sections into place, screw them in, and then add the top railing. Building a wooden deck this way does offer the advantage of not needing to worry about digging foundations, putting in joists, etc, but you do have to worry about the proper slope of the concrete porch, allowing for good water drainage, ensuring any parts that would be subjected to possible water pooling are treated against it, and such. Finishing off and installing the top capsWhen all the railing sections have been installed, drive 3" nails down through the top of the railing and into the balusters. Thx for sharing that tidbit! But in this story, we'll make it easy by showing you how to estimate step dimensions, layout and cut stair stringers, and assemble the stair parts. And if your design means that the runners are any way near parallel to the house, then you've got a problem with drainage. Well thought out. Since our concrete was in good condition and would offer a solid base we decided to keep it and just cover it all with wood. You mentioned in your posting the odd sizing of boards and figured it had some history to it. This grade is good and needs to be preserved. I guess I could have used even longer screws on these. Start from the front of the step with full width boards and work your way towards the back, ripping the final board to the proper width with the circular saw (or, preferably, a table saw if you have one).When the steps are covered, use some bristol board to outline the exact shape of the skirts on the sides of the steps. * For the enclosures underneath the deck - I plan on burying 6" x 6" parallel to the edge of the floors such that their top surface is flat with the ground. But it can be covered up—and this article will show you how. Glad you liked it, and thx for the compliment. When the section is complete, lift it and set it into place between the two posts. Not only do I prefer the aesthetic of a wooden deck more than a concrete deck, but I also prefer the maintenance. I still need to close of the space underneath the deck, but the weather is beginning to turn over here, the days are getting shorter, and I'm running on of time. Hey this is awesome! It's important to note, though, that this preservative does not make it all the way to the core of the lumber, and only infuses the first inch or so on all sids. I've seen indications of both 3' and  5' sections out on the net.On the corners you'll be using two posts, roughly 4" away from the actual corner. Finally, note that the skirts top edge is flush with the top of the runners since the floor boards will be sitting on both of them. on Step 5. The chemicals in treated wood will interact with non ACQ-approved screws and cause them to corrode (due to high levels of copper in the preservative), so you want to avoid that. You will essentially box frame around the stoop by installing double joists on either side of the stoop and placing a double header beam in front … Reply Building A Deck Over Concrete Steps Decks.com . If you're going to build something like this, remember this really important rule: an extra ten minutes spent putting in better water protection at this point will save you from headaches, lots of hours and $$$ in replacement materials down the road. Purchase two staircase runners of the proper height and size for your deck application. That being said, though, I doubt it would be a problem. You can build a raised deck over concrete base in two ways. You will need to mark the finished level of the deck floor on the house cladding. Replacing the concrete deck with wood could have been done in one of two ways: completely demolish the concrete porch and build a 100% wooden one in its place, or use the concrete as a base and just add wood on top of it. Repeat the same with the bottom railing, ensuring the perpendicular distance remains 36" just like with the straight sections. I then used 3" concrete screws and construction adhesive to hold them down to the floor.I could have used 2"x3" beams sitting on their short sides, but their total height (2.5") would have left the concrete screws with just 0.5" to grab into the concrete and I didn't feel that was enough. This is crucial especially around the runners where two boards meet. I used 3" screws for this step.Finally, for the railing posts, you'll need 0.5" x 6" (for notched posts) and 0.5" x 7" bolts (for non notched posts) to attach the railings to the sides of the porch. In this video, This Old House general contractor Tom Silva explains how to deck over a concrete stoop. I just chose steel hinges that were coated in weather resistant paint.Attach the hinges to the seat covers and hinge beam (recess them to make it a bit nicer and have the seat cover lie right next to the hinge beam), and you're done. Install plugs into the counterbored holes using hot-melt glue; trim the plugs flush with a sharp chisel. Deck How To Build A Deck. Those pieces can just be attached with carpenter's glue and some screws. I thought it would be a help in trimming the posts to their final height but could have just done it with a circular and hand saw.Usual toolbox of stuff - hammer, screwdrivers, level, chisel, etc.You'll also need wood drill bits, as all screws should be going into pilot holes instead of into raw wood. Or you can use the slab as the base of the deck and use wood as the top of this deck. It consists of evenly spaced posts, between which rest sections composed of an upper and lower railing beam (basically 2" x 4" beams lying flat) with balusters strung up between them (simple 2" x 2" pieces). perpendicular to the runners) or, as I chose to do, at a bit of an angle (I went with 45 degrees).If you choose to add a design to your deck and install the planks in any other way, just remember that they must be at an angle to the runners so they have good support. The curves will either point up or down, and this is important to keep in mind. I then cut several more balusters to the exact same length and angles, and attached them in between the railings with screws in the same way I did the straight sections. My existing patio is about 10 inches thick so it would be hard to remove so I plan to put a wood or composite deck on top. I first buried a line of 6x6 beams in the ground (with gravel underneath) parallel to the edges of the porch. I then added vertical spacers every 3-4 feet so that the panels would not be too big, and stop blocks about 1.5" inches in so the panels would have something to rest against when they're installed.The panels were then assembled by cutting 2x2 beams (with a "C" type cut in them) at 45 degree angles and sliding plastic mesh in the middle. I will be using part of them this summer. We want to expand it by 18" on each side so it is 9 ft instead of 6 ft. We do not want to add pillars or a roof as I've seen in most of the front porch ideas on this site. Since the floor planks are a bit over 0.5" thick, and I was going to use 2" screws, I needed runners that were at least 2" high so I wouldn't risk bottoming out when attaching the planks. Those on either side of the steps were done after the steps were completely finished because it was much easier to measure and fit them at that point.When putting the skirts on its important to keep water drainage in mind. Step 2 Lay the deck frame over the uneven concrete surface. Cut PVC trim boards to wrap around stoop using circular saw. weather and [if using treated wood] ACQ resistant). Some builders choose to build over the stoop instead. When the lumber mill starts with a board say a 2x4 in is "roughly 2" x 4" but when they run it through the saw the kerf (thickness) of the blades are 1/4 inch so each side is cut buy 1/4 inch. Most of the time you will need to break the concrete apart using a sledge hammer or jack hammer and haul the debris away. Check out the video above for an explanation on scribing and framing your deck and the link below has more information on the building a front deck. Staggering your board cuts so no two contiguous lines have the cut on the same resting on the same runner will make your floor stronger and look much better.When laying down additional rows of wood, you need to leave a bit of space between them to allow for the wood's expansion and also for proper water drainage. between the concrete and the runners), and use plenty of wood sealer on all the cut ends. And of course, don't forget to make sure everything is level ...Building the straight railing sectionsThis stage takes a little bit of patience, but paying close attention to details will pay off later. Once they're cut, use a router to round off the edges.The stepsOnce the floor is done and the edges have been cut off, finish off the steps by installing boards on their respective runners. The new deck will extend past the cement by a few feet on both sides and the end so I plan to use standard deck piers for those sections. Some builders choose to build over the stoop instead. Building A Floating Deck: Step-By-Step. Position the railing on them, mark your cut lines, and cut it to size. Also for small doorstep builds. on Introduction. A massive concrete stoop will be difficult to remove. I've gotten dust in my eyes more times than I care to count, and have felt my ears ringing more than once after drilling and cutting. Post a photo if you ever get a chance! Use lag screws to mount the runners to the deck and let the bottom portion of the runners sit on a concrete pad on the ground. Simple deck step design which can be made in a little over an hour. Moving it back would work, but then it would not be flush with the skirt and not look as good. I left the gap at the front skirt, bolted the side skirts right up against the concrete, and just applied silicone where the side skirts met the concrete (this way it acted just like a runner). Glad you liked them. You do the math.Treated pine can always be stained and painted any color you like, but make sure you follow the stain/paint instructions carefully. Next Project . If like us, you have an old concrete stoop that has more than seen better days, rather than going through the hassle of tearing it out, why not give it a facelift? Using pilot holes on everything will certainly take you longer, but will avoid cracking and reduce the stress on the wood helping it last longer. They are basically 17" tall and 17" deep (the numbers were just taken off of a regular plastic deck chair), and the tops are hinged in order to provide storage room. You want to remove half the width of the post for the height of the skirt + floor, such that the post will be sitting on top of the floor. Decks are popular backyard features, but they also make for dramatic front entries. A concrete stoop and steps can be a formidable obstacle when trying to build a deck. The wood is already treated against water, but since these places will be inaccessible in the future you want to do as much as possible now to prevent water damage later on.Wood sealerTreated wood is basically wood into which a preservative liquid has been inserted by using a vacuum and lots of pressure. on Introduction. It looks like they could be a bit wider? 8 years ago This hinge beam has to be very strongly attached as you'll have the seats swinging off of it (and they're not exactly light). Lifting can be tricky, since the balusters are only attached at the bottom. Use the same technique as with the bottom railing to get the right spacing; i.e. All lines where they touch the concrete, where the two layers of the runners meet and where there are holes left by knots, are all filled up with a high grade exterior use silicone in order to prevent water from accumulating and getting in there.And as with all other steps - any freshly cut piece of wood gets some preservative brushed on to to avoid water damage there as well.Installing the skirtsSkirts are needed on all vertical surfaces, but at this point I only installed the ones on the sides of the floor. 4 years ago. But for a broken or cracked base, you need to repair the … There's zero clearance between the runners and the concrete, and the points where they come in contact with it are all sealed with silicone, so that should provide good protection. * Benches - I plan on building a second bench right next to the stairwell, following the same design as the first one. Being screwed onto a firm surface will hold that cupping back, and if you install the board with the curves facing up its edges will rise over time and become both unsightly and dangerous (easy to trip over).Finally, make sure you pre-drill all holes so the screws don't end up stretching and potentially cracking the wood. Beautiful! the horizontal 2x3 frame to the vertical sections. Hi; glad you enjoyed the article and will be able to put some of it to good use. I think I'll leave the enclosures for next summer and update the article then.Overall this has been an awesome project. Again, check your local guidelines for the proper spacing. Same thing applies to screws - get a lot of them.ProtectionThis one comes before anything else. Without airflow below the wood - 10 inches, preferably a foot - the lifespan is degraded, so they say.Glad to hear you're not having any issues. It is transparent and does not leave a trace (you'll see it for the first couple of days but nothing afterwards), and can just be brushed on to the freshly cut ends. 8 years ago How to Build a Deck Over a Concrete Patio. The first step to building over a concrete stoop is to install a ledger board on both sides of the stoop. I really don't remember the exact number. on Introduction. I suppose the only way to know for sure would be to check in a few years. Trace the lines, add extra pieces for areas larger than the board. This diy article is about how to build a deck step by step. Install the ledger first, and slip proper flashing to stop rot. The ultimate solution for a hopeless slab. I would assume you'd need 5" screws to get through the 3" of the top piece and into the vertical section, but in your photos I can see any screw heads. Reply Mark where the end of the deck is on your timber and run a line of string across. Rather, I built the railing right into place and measured lengths and angles as I went.Start by clamping some scrap material to the posts for the top railing to sit on. The planks then get installed parallel to the house (i.e. Decks are popular backyard features, but they also make for dramatic front entries. Most of the time you will need to break the concrete apart using a sledge hammer or jack hammer and haul the debris away. Basically small enough to ensure a kid cannot get a limb stuck in there. The board is thick and won't flop everywhere, so just hold it up against the sides of the staircase and crease it along the edges of the steps in order to know where to cut them. Steps: 1. Build a Front Deck | Handyman Club of America, I actually did this a couple of months ago, it’s made a massive difference - you can walk straight from the lounge out to the garden now on one level - it feels less like a Stalinist dumping ground and more somewhere to relax and for the kids to have fun. Some of the boards on the more highly trafficked areas are losing the stain a bit more than others, but structurally everything is peachy. Once you have a complete template for the skirts, lay it on top on a 2" x 10" board, transfer the shape, and cut. Decking How to build outdoor steps A D.I.Y. Cut left over decking boards into steps for your staircase and … If your steps have a solid foundation and aren’t crumbling, you can actually build your deck right over it. To avoid a repeat, I left a full 0.5" gap between the concrete edge and the skirt; this way it will never clog and water will always drain properly. 2. The cement I have is aggregate so it has exposed rocks, do you think silicone will still work? The balusters need to have their bottoms and tops cut at a specific angle for them to sit flat between the railing and still be level, so I just positioned one, used a level to ensure it was straight, and marked it. 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